From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Wed Feb 20 07:13:56 2008 From: xj-digest xj-digest Wednesday, February 20 2008 Volume 01 : Number 2744 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: RE: xj: 42RE help? xj: the omega project RE: xj: 42RE help? RE: xj: 42RE help? xj: engine weights, weight of 6.2Diesel vs. AMC 360 xj: more tab increases in WA state??? xj: RE: I am strongly against this bill, please read to the bottom. (fwd) RE: xj: 42RE help? XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 20:33:52 -0800 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: xj: 42RE help? You'd have to build it as they didn't come that way. There are a few modded XJs with boxes (I sold the back 1/2 of a parted MJ cab to one of the very first, if not THE first, "Cheromanche" builder) From: Allen Zylstra Subject: RE: xj: 42RE help? It said runs good, but needs a steering column. I think I will hold out for a nice example. I would really like a 4 door comanche. My ZJ has been a good vehicle even though the reviews on them has been terrible. Allen _________________________________________________________________ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 21:01:30 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: xj: the omega project omega: 1991 Grand Wagoneer - 6.2L Diesel/700R4/NP228 3" body lift, factory sunroof... update: had a mechanic friend drop by Sunday afternoon... we ran some tests, made some adjustments... later I ran some of my own tests... and... ...after oiling the driveway last night, http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/02-Feb-17-Omega-oil-mountains/ALL.html I spent my afternoon today chasing down kitty litter to clean the carport and the parts to begin the next phase of the Diesel jeep project... :) - - ordered new Diesel injectors so it runs better, about a week out... - - ordered a new vacuum pump so the 4wd and a/c-heat vents work... - - picked up a BMK-13 Amsoil Dual Remote Filtration System so the filter will be mounted away from moving objects... not sure if I'll mount it up on the fender under the washer bottles or on the frame across from the oil filter location, or back by the fuel filters... can go a maximum of 4 feet... nice thing is I will be able to use standard or larger oil filters and gain some capacity and cooling at the same time. - - picked up enough amsoil to refill the crankcase with marine grade 15-40 synthetic. :) (hey, at least I don't need to drain the old oil. :) - - picked up enough amsoil synthetic ATF to do the xfr case, and top off the 700r4. - - going to and take it and the '89 GW down to the scale and see how much more my '91 is with the 6.2L Diesel and the aux tank. I can't image that a Detroit Diesel 6.2L (379 cu in) weighs that much more than an AMC 360 (5.9l) especially considering the 6.2 has an aluminum intake and the 360 a cast iron. the scale will tell the story. springs were sagging as a stock option. we'll see... - -then I'll decide whether to go with the 4" lift or the 2"... hoping for the 2" so I don't have to mess with brake lines and panhard bars and such... already have 3" of body lift. - -eventually I hope to get the original WJ seats from my '99 in this thing, will fix up the XJ console (had to cut the park brake well pan a bit to fit the floor), wire in the IPF lights, and install the am/fm/sw stereo and cd changer. I need to take some time off and relax after finishing my masters degree. :) Hoping to have Omega road worthy, with 40 gallons of Diesel/BioDiesel and around 20 miles per gallon we should be able to take quite a drive... :) http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ yes, Diesel dreams really do come true... http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/5_omega_9feb08/Omega-6.2L-9Feb2008.MOV been waiting over 16 years for this... :) http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/GarageScenes-Jan92.jpg john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 09:36:58 -0600 From: Allen Zylstra Subject: RE: xj: 42RE help? I know I would have to build it and it will probably never happen. I was thinking that using the forward part of the XJ and cutting it right behind the rear seat. Then use the rear of the MJ cab and the floor so that it would have the frame mounts for the box, but I think I would like to shorten the box down some. I would like to keep the wheelbase within reason and I wouldn't need a long bed. Also the most offroad it would see is the backyard. This is in the brainstorming arena as I don't even have a carport to work in. Looking to make a move back to the midwest with hopes of getting a home with a shop. Then things may move forward. Allen > From: carnuck-at-hotmail.com> To: xj-at-digest.net> Subject: RE: xj: 42RE help?> Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 20:33:52 -0800> > You'd have to build it as they didn't come that way. There are a few modded> XJs> with boxes (I sold the back 1/2 of a parted MJ cab to one of the very first,> if> not THE first, "Cheromanche" builder)> > > From: Allen Zylstra > Subject: RE: xj: 42RE help?> > It said runs good, but needs a steering column. I think I will hold out for> a nice example. I would really like a 4 door comanche.> > My ZJ has been a good vehicle even though the reviews on them has been> terrible.> > Allen> _________________________________________________________________> Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live.> http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 _________________________________________________________________ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 07:57:54 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: RE: xj: 42RE help? "back to the midwest" where are you now? a carport works fine in Seattle. ;) if the tailgate on omega every messes up... :) ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 19 Feb 2008, Allen Zylstra wrote: # I know I would have to build it and it will probably never happen. I was # thinking that using the forward part of the XJ and cutting it right behind the # rear seat. Then use the rear of the MJ cab and the floor so that it would # have the frame mounts for the box, but I think I would like to shorten the box # down some. I would like to keep the wheelbase within reason and I wouldn't # need a long bed. Also the most offroad it would see is the backyard. # # This is in the brainstorming arena as I don't even have a carport to work in. # # Looking to make a move back to the midwest with hopes of getting a home with a # shop. Then things may move forward. # # Allen # # > From: carnuck-at-hotmail.com> To: xj-at-digest.net> Subject: RE: xj: 42RE help?> # Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 20:33:52 -0800> > You'd have to build it as they didn't # come that way. There are a few modded> XJs> with boxes (I sold the back 1/2 of # a parted MJ cab to one of the very first,> if> not THE first, "Cheromanche" # builder)> > > From: Allen Zylstra > Subject: RE: xj: # 42RE help?> > It said runs good, but needs a steering column. I think I will # hold out for> a nice example. I would really like a 4 door comanche.> > My ZJ # has been a good vehicle even though the reviews on them has been> terrible.> > # Allen> _________________________________________________________________> # Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live.> # http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 # _________________________________________________________________ # Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! # http://biggestloser.msn.com/ # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 08:01:02 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: xj: engine weights, weight of 6.2Diesel vs. AMC 360 cool link, thanx fish... http://wheeltalk.fancal.net/?p=634 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ward%27s_10_Best_Engines mark and I will get our GWs down to the scale this week, both are down right now, the 89 is getting a broken exhaust manifold bolt removed and mine is in the middle of an "oil change". ;) john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 19 Feb 2008, Fisher, Timothy M Mr CTR USA USAMC wrote: # Classification: UNCLASSIFIED # Caveats: NONE # # # WOW!! I found a HUGE engine weight table, everything from alpha to wright # at wheeltalk.fancal.net/?p=634 # # it covers AMC V8s # Sorry I did not see GMC diesels # # tim "Fish" fisher # Factory Service Representative # M1117 ASV # Cadillac Gage combat vehicles # Q-West Iraq # Here to help them do what they would have done # if they knew what they could do # # ------------------------------------------------------ # Classification: UNCLASSIFIED # Caveats: NONE # # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 11:47:11 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: xj: more tab increases in WA state??? got this from a friend, haven't verified it. europe uses licensing like this, but they have exemptions for fuel efficient engines like Diesels and those that make use of alternate fuels like LPG, etc. I purposely converted my gas engine to a Diesel for economy... could have cost me an extra $75/yr! (5.9 gas to 6.2 Diesel). Where's Tim Eyeman when you need him anyway? ;) john Subject: Car Tabs Increase - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Vehicle License Fee Bill SB6900 Hello, There is a bill that the Washington State Legislature is trying to pass in Olympia that, if successful, will directly add huge costs to our vehicle license fees. Everyone needs to know about so this situation so that you can contact your representatives and voice your objection. The bill is SB 6900 and it adds an "engine displacement" fee to the vehicle license tabs upon renewal. The fee has a varied amount depending on the size of the vehicle's engine: Engine Size (liters) Rate Schedule Up to 1.9 $0 2.0 - 2.9 $70 3.0 - 3.9 $225 4.0 - 4.9 $275 5.0 - 5.9 $325 6.0 - 7.9 $400 8.0 or over $600 For each car & truck that you own, calculate the rate by matching the engine size in liters to the dollar amount. Add the amounts for each vehicle and you'll see that the average two car family will be paying $500+ every year in "displacement fees" on top of the normal license fees. If you have three vehicles, you'll be paying even more. The average family is already struggling with the high cost of gasoline, electricity, food and everything else, and our lawmakers want us to pay more, thinking we have unlimited deep pockets. This will do great damage to the budgets of retirees on fixed incomes as well. Now is the time to be very vocal against this bill. I have contacted all of our representatives, and I would encourage everyone reading this to do the same. Here's the web page for the bill where you can read the text: http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?bill=6900&year=2007 Here's the link for contacting your representatives: http://apps.leg.wa.gov/DistrictFinder/Default.aspx If we don't threaten mass rebellion over this, they'll pass this bill and we'll be paying huge fees every year on top of their increase in the gas tax. They have to know that we won't stand for any more taxes or increase in licensing fees. I've told my representatives that I will actively work to see that any lawmaker that supports this bill is replaced at election time. Please contact your legislators, then copy the text of this e mail, and forward it to as many people as possible that you know in Washington State, and encourage them to contact their representatives and strongly voice their objection to this bill. ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 16:18:17 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: xj: RE: I am strongly against this bill, please read to the bottom. (fwd) looks like one of my friends emailed a bunch of reps and all but one said they were against it... PTL, it's dead... they all agreed it's a bad idea to penalize folks after the fact... dang, if I knew this was coming I would have put a 2.5L Mercedes Turbo Diesel into an XJ Cherokee... ;) john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: mike senko Thank you for your support Steve. Kind Regards, Mike Senko "Hobbs, Sen. Steve" wrote: Michael - I can confirm that 6900 is dead. See my stock response below, and follow the link for bill information. This bill hasn't been active for weeks, had little support and wasn't ever a priority as far as I know. - - Steve Hobbs Thank you for taking the time to email me in regard to SB 6900, a bill that aimed to establish vehicle engine displacement and emissions fees. To be direct, I do not support this legislation. Further, this bill received very little support and died without a vote. SB 6900 is an attempt to encourage the drivers of Washington to be more conscious of their vehicle choice, not the vehicle^Rs price. Starting January 1, 2009 there would be a potential fee based on engine size. Starting January 1, 2012 the potential fee would change from being based on engine size to being based on emissions. I believe any potential tax should be fair in nature and not more punitive to some than to others. Just because I own a car or truck with a large engine does not mean that I am wasteful or not energy-conscious. For example, I own a 15-year-old truck that I rarely drive, but use on occasion for moving and other errands. Due to the size of the truck's engine, I would pay a large tax, despite the fact that I drive an energy efficient vehicle to and from work. The bill would also unfairly impact off-road enthusiasts and lower income families who have little choice in vehicle purchasing. This bill did not come before any of my committees, did not receive a public hearing, and is considered ^Sdead^T. Though protecting the environment is a concern, this bill provided more questions than answers, and I did not support it. Sincerely, Senator Steve Hobbs Washington State Senate 44th Legislative District - -----Original Message----- From: mercedesman1981-at-yahoo.com [mailto:mercedesman1981-at-yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 2:50 PM To: Hobbs, Sen. Steve Cc: Dunshee, Rep. Hans; Loomis, Rep. Liz Subject: I am strongly against this bill, please read to the bottom. HOUSE INTERNET E-MAIL DELIVERY SERVICE SENATE INTERNET E-MAIL DELIVERY SERVICE TO: Senator Steve Hobbs CC: Representative Hans Dunshee Representative Liz Loomis FROM: Mr. Michael Senko STREET ADDRESS: 1501 151st Pl SE Mill Creek, WA 98012 E-MAIL: mercedesman1981-at-yahoo.com PHONE: (425) 338 - 4959 BILL: 6900 (Against) SUBJECT: I am strongly against this bill, please read to the bottom. MESSAGE: Vehicle License Fee Bill SB6900 Hello, There is a bill that the Washington State Legislature is trying to pass in Olympia that, if successful, will directly add huge costs to our vehicle license fees. Everyone needs to know about so this situation so that you can contact your representatives and voice your objection. The bill is SB 6900 and it adds an "engine displacement" fee to the vehicle license tabs upon renewal. The fee has a varied amount depending on the size of the vehicle's engine: Engine Size (liters) Rate Schedule Up to 1.9 $0 2.0 - 2.9 $70 3.0 - 3.9 $225 4.0 - 4.9 $275 5.0 - 5.9 $325 6.0 - 7.9 $400 8.0 or over $600 For each car & truck that you own, calculate the rate by matching the engine size in liters to the dollar amount. Add the amounts for each vehicle and you'll see that the average two car family will be paying $500+ every year in "displacement fees" on top of the normal license fees. If you have three vehicles, you'll be paying even more. The average family is already struggling with the high cost of gasoline, electricity, food and everything else, and our lawmakers want us to pay more, thinking we have unlimited deep pockets. This will do great damage to the budgets of retirees on fixed incomes as well. Now is the time to be very vocal against this bill. I have contacted all of our representatives, and I would encourage everyone reading this to do the same. Here's the web page for the bill where you can read the text: If we don't threaten mass rebellion over this, they'll pass this bill and we'll be paying huge fees every year on top of their increase in the gas tax. They have to know that we won't stand for any more taxes or increase in licensing fees. I've told my representatives that I will actively work to see that any lawmaker that supports this bill is replaced at election time. Please contact your legislators, then copy the text of this e mail, and forward it to as many people as possible that you know in Washington State, and encourage them to contact their representatives and strongly voice their objection to this bill. NOTE: We are 99% sure that this constituent is in your district RESPONSE REQUESTED: No response required by the sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:09:12 -0600 From: Allen Zylstra Subject: RE: xj: 42RE help? John, I am in Atlanta. Iowa/MN is home. Allen> Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 07:57:54 -0800> From: john-at-wagoneers.com> To: xj-at-digest.net> Subject: RE: xj: 42RE help?> > "back to the midwest" where are you now?> > a carport works fine in Seattle. ;) > > if the tailgate on omega every messes up... :)> > -----> - ----------------------------------------------------------------------> Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold> http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com **> - ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > > On Tue, 19 Feb 2008, Allen Zylstra wrote:> > # I know I would have to build it and it will probably never happen. I was> # thinking that using the forward part of the XJ and cutting it right behind the> # rear seat. Then use the rear of the MJ cab and the floor so that it would> # have the frame mounts for the box, but I think I would like to shorten the box> # down some. I would like to keep the wheelbase within reason and I wouldn't> # need a long bed. Also the most offroad it would see is the backyard.> # > # This is in the brainstorming arena as I don't even have a carport to work in.> # > # Looking to make a move back to the midwest with hopes of getting a home with a> # shop. Then things may move forward.> # > # Allen> # > # > From: carnuck-at-hotmail.com> To: xj-at-digest.net> Subject: RE: xj: 42RE help?>> # Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 20:33:52 - -0800> > You'd have to build it as they didn't> # come that way. There are a few modded> XJs> with boxes (I sold the back 1/2 of> # a parted MJ cab to one of the very first,> if> not THE first, "Cheromanche"> # builder)> > > From: Allen Zylstra > Subject: RE: xj:> # 42RE help?> > It said runs good, but needs a steering column. I think I will> # hold out for> a nice example. I would really like a 4 door comanche.> > My ZJ> # has been a good vehicle even though the reviews on them has been> terrible.> >> # Allen> _________________________________________________________________>> # Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live.>> # http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008> # _________________________________________________________________> # Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser!> # http://biggestloser.msn.com/> # _________________________________________________________________ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail.-get your "fix". http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #2744 *************************